Agent00Soul wrote:
andrew wrote:
PunkRockBassist wrote:
would anyone here consider the clash ska ?
I wouldn't. Reggae was a bigger influence on The Clash than ska, but it's certainly an aspect of their music.
I think the Clash's use of reggae is probably what inspired The Specials and all the other Two-Tone bands to discover ska, at least in part.
True..with an asterisk. This is all according to the book, "The Two Tone Story." (verbatim):
The Specials adventures in ska (particularly founder Jerry Dammers) predated any of the Clash's reggae experiments, since The Specials were formed in 1977 (first as the Automatics, then as The Coventry Automatics, then The Special AKA) and they actually toured as opening act for the Clash on their first tour after Joe Strummer heard their demo and loved it. The Clash's manager even managed them for a while unofficially. They were already doing a punk/reggae hybrid (or hyper ska) at that point, though they supposedly did not go over well as The Clash's opener since their sound was yet to be fully appreciated/understood and weren't straight up punk. Bottom line: they were unrefined and confused audiences. The Clash and Sex Pistols were definitely an influence on The Specials, but the reggae/ska roots were already well-planted.
They returned to Conventry UK after their tour disgruntled and they nearly broke up, but Dammers was determined to polish the act since he believed in their blossoming sound as primitive and unfocused as it was.
"We had songs where part of the songs were reggae, then they'd go off into a rock section, then perhaps into reggae", said Jerry (Dammers). "And it would throw people off. So we sat down and looked at the whole thing and put a definite beat in it all the way through, sort of blended together." Bands like The Ruts, The Members, and even The Clash were able to produce a far better punk reggae marriage than The Special AKA, so Dammers made a conscious effort to re-focus and fine tune their sound in the ska style (and not without as few objections).
The book makes the transition to ska sound a bit more cut and dry then it probably was, IMO. I've got some of those early recordings, and while I agree the blend of punk and reggae needed work for better cohesion, the germ of the Specials sound is definitely there as is the ska leanings.
Anyway, the rest, as they say, is history.