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Last time I looked, it wasn't there anymore. You also deleted the second thread I started about this gamma business. Let's see how many more minutes this one's going to last. I'm certainly not holding my breath.

I'm not an admin or anything I just noticed that the thread was moved there.

Yes, it was there. Threads once deleted are gone, so if you see it now it was there before.

I explained in the thread why your second thread about Gamma basses was deleted. I left it up for 24 hours and then deleted it. Your claims were pure conjecture.

You've been given the opportunity to share your opinion on Gamma basses. We get it, you weren't happy with the bass.

There are plenty of people who have had positive experiences with both Gamma basses and the company. You are not one of them. Message received.

I have no dog in your fight with Gamma basses/Joe Milstein. I don't own a Gamma, have never been offered anything from the company and until your post on them never exchanged a direct message with Joe.

But when you start making bullshit posts implying my/our credibility is questionable based on how we choose to manage the board, you're out of line.

Joe has been nothing but respectful to me and the board in all our pm exchanges, despite my not doing what he requested. You on the other hand start talking conspiracy theory as soon as you don't have things go the way you want. I've done my part to be fair to both you and Joe.

I disagree.

You aren't simply making people aware, you've already done that here. You're repeatedly posting on the same subject because you have a personal beef with Joe now that you want to keep going. If new threads about Gamma come up you're welcome to share your opinion on them, but we do not need a weekly reminder that you had a negative experience with the Gamma bass company.

I do appreciate permafrost sharing his experiences with the left handed bass community.

I am trying to understand the continual need to bring up this topic. You did get a refund right permafrost?

If you had not locked and/or deleted my previous posts, I would not have had to repost the same thing again. You are on record having stated that Joe Milstein communicated with you subsequent to which you basically accomodated his wishes, which was the removal of my threads.

Conjecture? Conspiracy theory re TALKBASS? Nonsense, as the FACTS belie your conjecture: within minutes of having posted anything about gamma bass, I was swarmed by several posters who expressed their undying love for all things gamma bass. And within about 15 minutes or so, all my posts were removed by the TALKBASS administrator with canned explanations such as TROLL, AGGRESSIVE SPAMMING etc. I never got a warning nor a personal message from TALKBASS adminsitrators explaining why they were so vehemently against the posting of my negative experience with gamma basses.

The reason for "the continual need to bring up this topic", as stated above, was the deletion of my previous posts and threads.

Yes, I got a refund but only after having to personally contact Paypal because Joe Milstein refused to take delivery of the bass when it was presented to him by the postman at his house. He also refused to pay for the cost of shipping it back to him even though he was perfectly aware of the issues on the bass before he sold it and shipped it to me. (He never denied the fact that he knew about the crooked bridge, misaligned neck, large neck pocket gap etc. when I accused him of having acted in bad faith with me, and that therefore he should pay for the cost of shipping it back to him.)

Sorry, but you're dead wrong. Your posts were never deleted. Andrew stated he locked the thread, so it's been there for perusal all along and will continue to be there as long as people are researching the thread/Gamma. Why feel the need to continue new threads on the subject?

We try to run a peaceful community here where people are free to speak their minds, share their opinions, and engage in HEALTHY discussion. Andrew does an excellent job of maintaining harmony 'round these parts, and he's far more diplomatic than I could ever be. People are rarely censored here, and you certainly weren't. So you alerted everyone of a bad experience you had with Gamma. Great! Dully noted. Maybe some will reconsider purchasing a Gamma in the future thanks to your post, in which case your work is done here. But also consider that there are others here who like Joe's instruments and have not had a bad experience with him/Gamma instruments. We've been down this road before with virtually every instrument and/or left handed dealer out there: Some people have had a good experiences with Southpaw Guitars, for example, while there are others who haven't; Some think Hofners are crap, while others think they're worth every penny. You get the point. (Hopefully).

It boils down to this: you already shared your opinion, thanks. But comments or posts that start treading on redundancy or into personal vendettas or pissing wars will not be tolerated.

Was there something about the bass itself or the transaction you did not cover in your first post? Your subsequent posts would indicate no. Therefore there was no need to leave the post open when there is obviously some contention on both sides around the deal.
Your first post is still here and never went anywhere (and was already explained here so you are incorrect in your assertion that you need to repost due to the removal of your threads), which made your second post pointless in any repeated info about the bass or deal, but your second post also claimed Talkbass is conspiring with Gamma basses to conceal what you believe to be the truth about the basses, based on what you inferred was Gamma basses bribing Talkbass to do so. Unless you have proof of this, it is not fact, it is conjecture. I'm not a fan of much of the rules and practices of TB either, but that doesn't mean you can come here and accuse them of practices you have no proof of. You claimed that a poster there was a plant to try to falsely boost Gamma's reputation. You can do 2 minutes of research to see that poster is not a plant by Gamma. Again, no fact to support your claim.

What conjecture have I made? And are you saying that TB deleting your posts means that they are in conspiracy with Gamma basses to silence your voice is a fact?

I am "on record" because I said I got pm's from Joe. In no way does that mean I accommodated his wishes. In fact I did not. Again you try to make a leap to infer there are things happening around/for Gamma basses that are not.

So thus far you have said TB censored you because they are conspiring with Gamma basses. You have said a poster there is a plant to mislead TB followers as to Gamma basses quality. You have suggested that the admins here could have questionable ethics if they do not allow you to continue to post repeatedly about Gamma basses.

Not paying return shipping is a common practice with bass companies, but I agree with you that bass companies (not just Gamma) should pay return shipping on instruments with defects.
However, every company also typically states the bass needs to return in the same condition it was sent out in. You returned the bass disassembled and didn't return the strings.
I don't think it's that ridiculous for a company to refuse to accept the bass back that way. And yet eventually he did.

It sucks you had a bad experience with buying a bass. That can be upsetting. But you've had your chance to say your piece about it here. And that's enough.

What Peter said.

Yes, I was probably wrong about one of the posters at Talkbass, namely the guy with the handle lakefx. I noticed later that he made lots of contradictory and actually critical comments; for instance, stating that he discovered gaps between the body and the neck after removing the neck because the pickguard was hiding said gap; and that the neck was misaligned (!) which issue he was able to fix in seconds, though, according to him. Here are some quotes from him with the contradictions noted between brackets:

All quotes by poster LAKEFX taken from threads at Talkbass:

"I also discovered that the neck pocket fit is not as tight as I first thought, but the pick guard was covering the small gap on the sides. This really does not bother me, it just means that I need to spend a few extra seconds aligning the neck when I take it off." [Yet he thinks Gamma basses are quality instruments. Go figure.]

"It is true that these are parts basses, but they are Japanese parts, not Chinese." [Which contradicts his statement below:]

"I know my fretless Gammas have Mighty Mite necks..." [Those aren't made in Japan, are they?]

"I don't know where Joey sources his pickups..." [Then why did he say that he knew that the parts used were Japanese made?]

"The neck is maple with a rosewood stripe and an ebanol board. The ebanol is really shiny and looks great." [Ebanol is some kind of man made material, like some sort of plastic. The FRETTED Gamma bass I bought also had the same man made material or "ebanol" fingerboard. Have you ever heard of a fretted Japanese made neck with a plastic fingerboard instead of a quality piece of real wood?]

"I have never seen a Gamma come up on ebay." [Fine. I gave him the eBay links to one completed listing where a Gamma P bass had sold for $199 and another (J style), for $250. Yet he goes on to say:]

"Furthermore, the few used Gammas I have seen in the TB classifieds have held their value at least as well as MIM Fenders." [the prices paid above were for NEW instruments.]

Can we please move on? I understand that you are disappointed but you are starting to looking like a donkey.

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I responded with one concise reply to four posts addressed at me. And you're calling me names for that. Furthermore, I'd not have had to post a new thread or even follow-up posts if previous posts and threads were not "locked" or deleted. I don't have anything additional to say unless more insults are hurled my way again. Just leave this thread around so that people have access to information that may save them undue aggravation in the future. What I'm saying is very clear, no? I'm not interested in wasting anybody's time, including mine. Have a nice day.

I responded to things you said in separate posts to keep the parts that needed addressing clear. You havn't been called names. You have acknowledged that there wasn't more that needed adding to your first post/review so your continual assertion that you needed to repost because your thread was locked (not deleted) is wrong. You are choosing to ignore and address whatever points raised to try to paint this all the way you want people to see it. There is already a thread about this (your first post). We do not need two.

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"donkey" is not exactly a compliment, is it? Anyway, thanks for not "locking" this thread (so far) as though it contained a wild animal that might bite or something. I appreciate your not acting like the mindless Nazis at Talkbass.

Lefties are best.

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