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| Author: | paulo [ December 2nd, 2015, 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 82 Rick 4001 |
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| Author: | Matt R. [ December 2nd, 2015, 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
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| Author: | pjmuck [ December 2nd, 2015, 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
Didn't those basses originally come with the horseshoe bridge PUP? |
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| Author: | superheavydeathmetal [ December 2nd, 2015, 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
This is not a C64S, and as far as I can tell, it isn't even a C64. It looks like a re-branded 4001S. A C64 should have vintage-style tone-knobs:  And a C64 should have a pickguard that goes all the way to the bridge surround, and the bridge surround should be trapezoidal, not square:  pjmuck wrote: Didn't those basses originally come with the horseshoe bridge PUP? Yes, and this is not a reissue horseshoe pickup. The reissue horseshoe has very large silver pole pieces. Just to be clear, the reissue horseshoe pickup works like a normal pickup (meaning the horseshoe isn't part of the pickup), but voiced to sound like the original horseshoe pickup as much as possible. It also has a gap in the pickup cover to look more like the original:  RIC did away with the "real" horseshoe pickup because they are notorious for losing their magnetism, which requires them to be re-gaussed. |
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| Author: | bbl [ December 2nd, 2015, 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
I'm no Ric expert, but all of these attributes on one Ric bass seems odd: - toaster pickup, 1" from neck - two-piece neck - open back tuners - no binding, dot inlay - serial 1982 - one-piece pick guard - bridge with extra two screws near tail - no center stripe ??? |
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| Author: | superheavydeathmetal [ December 2nd, 2015, 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
bbl wrote: I'm no Ric expert, but all of these attributes on one Ric bass seems odd: - toaster pickup, 1" from neck <- Good catch! - two-piece neck <- I am not sure. - open back tuners <- I am not sure. - no binding, dot inlay <- This is correct for a C64. - serial 1982 <- This is way too early for a C64. - one-piece pick guard <-This is correct for a C64. - bridge with extra two screws near tail <- Good catch! ??? Geoff, Good detective work! See my comments in red. Yeah, nothing about this is right. |
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| Author: | bbl [ December 2nd, 2015, 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
And no center stripe. A 4003S with a toaster replacement? An SB? |
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| Author: | pjmuck [ December 3rd, 2015, 6:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
superheavydeathmetal wrote: This is not a C64S, and as far as I can tell, it isn't even a C64. It looks like a re-branded 4001S. A C64 should have vintage-style tone-knobs: And a C64 should have a pickguard that goes all the way to the bridge surround, and the bridge surround should be trapezoidal, not square: pjmuck wrote: Didn't those basses originally come with the horseshoe bridge PUP? Yes, and this is not a reissue horseshoe pickup. The reissue horseshoe has very large silver pole pieces. Just to be clear, the reissue horseshoe pickup works like a normal pickup (meaning the horseshoe isn't part of the pickup), but voiced to sound like the original horseshoe pickup as much as possible. It also has a gap in the pickup cover to look more like the original: RIC did away with the "real" horseshoe pickup because they are notorious for losing their magnetism, which requires them to be re-gaussed. Great info, thanks. I knew it didn't look "right", but I'm not that knowledgeable on the various differences with Ricks. |
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| Author: | AustinLeftyBass [ December 3rd, 2015, 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
Looks like a 4003SB to me. |
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| Author: | jayceofbass [ December 3rd, 2015, 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
AustinLeftyBass wrote: Looks like a 4003SB to me. I could be wrong but... I think the 4003SB would have stereo outputs. This mystery bass does not. |
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| Author: | superheavydeathmetal [ December 3rd, 2015, 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
jayceofbass wrote: AustinLeftyBass wrote: Looks like a 4003SB to me. I could be wrong but... I think the 4003SB would have stereo outputs. This mystery bass does not. The listing has been changed to an SB. But I don't know that it is an SB, either. The SB would have the stereo output, a two-piece pickguard, and closed tuners. On the other hand, I have heard that specs of the SB varied quite a bit, so maybe an SB is just whatever Rick decided to call an SB at the time. 
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| Author: | GIBrat51 [ December 5th, 2015, 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 82 Rick 4001 |
Yeah, Rickenbacker replaced the Horseshoe bridge pick up, and the toaster at the neck, with Hi-Gains in late summer of 1973. They did away with the checkerboard binding a few months before that. I know; my '73 4001 was "born" in October, so I just missed out... Still has the "Wavy Grover" tuners, though... So, that one wouldn't have them, and IIRC, any Rick made after '73 with a Horse shoe, would have a Repro one. And yes, the original horse shoes did have problems with losing magnetism. John Hall has stated more than once that they were a nightmare to make, too. I know someone was making copies of the originals (can't remember who), until they got sued (there's a big surprise); I do remember reading that they said that yes, they were a royal PITA to make - and they were priced accordingly. I do know they settled out of court; whether the pickups are available or not, I couldn't say.. |
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